hindi prachar sabha
wondering if still people have the same enthu to learn hindi through this organization? back then, when I was in 8th std, lot of us flocked to these classes to learn hindi. and we found it very useful too. its always nice to learn a language like hindi, as it is spoken by many within our country. and thanks to some insane politics by parties like the DMK, many never got a chance to learn it. even these sabhas were vandalised every now and then.
learning hindi wasn't just for communication (that actually never happened, thanks to my grammar :) ), it infact helped us in learning about a totally different culture as well. I had some friends from Bhutan who picked up Hindi by watching all those mindless bollywood flicks :) their hindi was actually good, for colloquial purposes though. doesn't take you beyond an extent.
the dakshin bharat hindi prachar sabha is actually doing a very good job. their syllabus is also excellent, in terms of coverage. some might say that these sabhas are just supressing our tamil language, but in my opinion they are just racists!
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i would agree that learning another language is good, but there are valid points raised by dmk as well...
for one thing, i think the original idea behind three-language policy called for south indians to learn a north indian language and vice versa (or something like that)... if the policy is to bring national unity, there could have been more steps taken to encourage north indians to appreciate the languages and culture of south india as well and not just make it one-way...
i think another argument made by dmk was that making hindi the sole official language of india would make it more difficult for people whose mother-tongue wasn't hindi (and especially south indians) to compete for govt. jobs with those whose mother-tongue was hindi...
again, i am not against learning hindi, but i would just not want it to be made a requirement...
i personally would place more emphasis for people in TN to learn tamil first instead of placing emphasis on hindi... there are many living in TN who don't know how to read/write tamil...
As Kumaran said there are many in TN who don't know to read / write Tamil (inspite of Tamil being their mother tongue). If you look at other states the regional language is compulsory (atleast as a 3rd language) till the 6th standard. Maybe TN should do something like that.
I don't think DMK hampered the functioning of the Dakshin Bharath Hindi Prachar Sabha in any way. I completed Prathmic, Madhyama and Rashtrabasha. I don't much about the current trend in TN. Looks like people prefer to send their kids to Abacus and Music classes instead of the Hindi classes.
just like your bhutan fruends i picked up hindi from movies and friends but from a very small age.The Sabha is doing a great job.Prathmik,mahyama etc have helped a lot of pp learn hindi.
Jagan, no they DID STOP offering hindi classes in schools, it was in 60s. my dad had hindi classes until 5th, and then later on it was taken off. infact all the schools stopped offering Hindi then. I should have been more clear.
Kumaran, thanks for dropping by. I agree with you, nothing should be forced upon us. but they weren't idealistic, they were just after votes. they never even cared to give the choice to the people, rather tried to eliminate it entirely.
remember the "Thani Thamizh Nadu" slogans??? ring a bell?
kaps, DMK did hamper the functioning of the sabha lot. thats why I explicitly mentioned it in my post.
Ok let me clarify here, I wouldn't like if it was forced on me, but I would definitely love to have that choice. never did mention that Hindi should be made compulsory, and nor did I claim that now none is learning. just wondering if people are still interested, thats all :)
The fundamental resentment is due to sanctifying Hindi as a National Language. Whats the purpose of having a national language, just because it is spoken by a majority? Why dont we have a national religion then?? English has been named Official Language for all communication, and that serves the purpose just as fine in integrating the country. Giving Hindi a constitutionally special status for no practical reason is demeaning to other unique languages such as Tamil. It hurt the sentiments of some groups, which was why they arose with vengeance. Ofcourse, I donot condone bashing up Hindi Prachar Sabha, and banning Hindi in TN was not the solution, but it might be the condescending attitude of some northern minds that caused this reaction.
I feel Tamil must be made compulsory in primary school, and can coexist with Hindi maybe as a 3rd language. Students can then have a choice in secondary school. It is good to adapt to Hindi if moving to Hindi speaking regions, but not at the cost of neglecting the mother tongue. So its good atleast someone speaks up for it.
What purpose does it serve to know Hindi, if u r never gonna there...any language is meant for communication and for people who need to communicate, would have to learn it..I have many a "Hindi" frnds and their prejudice against Tamil is alarming..they would sight heat as a reason for not preferring Chennai, while they happily go to Hyderabad...this is absurd I say...I am not defending any of the past..ofcourse they are the reasons why we are in such a state now..
I did Pradmik and dropped out during Madhyama.
I regret not learing Hindi.
My first job was in Bombay in 1983. I remember struggling to buy a needle one day in Dadar, not knowing how to explain. I did all actions didn't help. The shopkeepers didn't know English.!
IMHO, It would be a good idea for everyone to learn Hindi.
I agree with you about the Dakshin Bharath Hindi Prachar Sabha doing a good job. They used to be in T.Nagar in Madras. Not sure where they are now.
my second language hindi so no eispecial hindi class but sanskrit class ponnen ippo adhu lam nyabagam irukka na big ? dhan
I learnt up to Praveshika, but mostly went to the classes out of peer pressure.. everyone was going there, so lemme do the same, was my thinking that time.
As Saranyan says, it wd be good to know a different language - a language that is spoken within our own country. When ppl are proud to learn French & German, whats wrong in learning Hindi. But that said, it shud be individual's choice.
DBHPS was doing an excellent job.. just that it has lost its aura now.
I do believe that DMK did hamper its function.. Apart from blacking out the Hindi names in Post Offices & Railway stations, I do remember that they created some trouble in the Sabha premises at T.Nagar.. and the untold, indirect implications are just too many.
I am a pratmik dropout...yeh kya hai? Yeh gadi hai is about all I could handle :)
Digression. To answer your question on my comments section, yes is it possible for one to be married and still be curious about the ex.
hi saranyan,i actually felt a need to learn tamil when i was in chennai for ten months..it indeed amazed me that being the national language of our country it was so unfamiliar to people in Tamil Nadu.
gandalf, I personally don't like the idea of compulsory tamil education till some grade in schools. that should be a choice left to the parents and the kid. what if the parents are non-tamilians and came to TN owing to some transfereable job? I know Karnataka has it, but we needn't follow them on this.
Krish, the answer is quite simple -- you may never know. besides, as I said , its always nice to learn a new language. we can learn so many things from it. history books can never help us on that.
Narayanan, I think you answered Krish's questions as well :) "katradhu endrum kai kodukkum" :)
me, sanskrit pandit ah neenga?
chakra, DMK chief's daughter Kanimozhi has a degree in english literature. so much for pro-tamil slogans. and when questioned about that, he said it was his daughter's choice. now why can't he given that choice to the people of TN? ellam yemathu velai.
Ammani, thanks for the answer :)
Amrita, I don't think if Hindi is officially the national language of India. its rather one of the many official languages.
badri, did you go to those classes as well?
Saranyan, according to the Indian constitution, Hindi is the national and official language, and English was stipulated to be an official language for 15 yrs (until 1965), after which it was to be phased out as an associate official language, and Hindi to be progressively adopted Country Wide. The states were allowed to have their own language within the state, which was called the official language of the state, not of the country. These were also called as Scheduled Languages. Whereas, all central and state-central communications were supposed to be in Hindi after 1965.
However, after 1965 there was vehement refusal to accept this, solely arising from Tamil Nadu. It was because of this that English continued to be in use.
Gandhi has openly stated in his speeches and books that "A universal language for India should be Hindi, and should be written in Persian (Urdu) or Devanagari scripts. Hindi alone can become a national language, not English or any other." and elsewhere that "If Hindi is given its due status, it will be introduced in every school in India, thus integrating non-Hindi speaking areas with other provinces."
Make your own inferences about this attitude!
Ofcourse, I totally agree Tamil should not be imposed on non-Tamilians and I wasn't meaning that. What I was trying to say was to promote Tamil for whose mother tongue it is, atleast in the early stages.
Its utopian to say "leave all the choices to everyone". Anyway, thats another issue. However, what is unique must be preserved, be it Hindi among Hindi speakers or Tamil among Tamilians. We still have prayers in school, cultural studies, and even Indian History. Why do we have all this? To preserve what is unique to us. Why didn't they give us a choice to study American History - many of us end up living here! Its because it is your culture which they want to expose you to, atleast the basics, when you are young, and give you the choice soon after. Just a few years of holding on to our vernacular and our local culture wouldn't hurt, but goes a long way in protecting its heritage.
Very interesting topic and pity I missed it when it was hot.
Personally, I am against the national language concept. It is good that one learns a language spoken by many in the country. It definitely helps. I never took any of the exams but can converse comfortably in hindi and also understand it very well since my mom(before marriage) and grandparents used to live in Delhi for a long time. But to expect a tamilian to know it is stupid. The amount of disdain north indians have for tamilians is so much that I refuse to speak in Hindi to such. I am fiercely proud of my language and while I am open to communicating with a common language, I resist it being imposed on me. Hindi is not my identity and will never be. My true identity is my mother tongue. Its the language I can express myself the best and be who I am. And for any person whose mother tongue is tamil, what better language to express himself or herself. I think Tamil Nadu is extremely flexible in allowing people to learn their second language instead of making everyone learn tamil if not as second, atleast a third language. Almost all states get away with this. Why not us?
I cannot help but pose this question to the past Hindi zealots who had wanted to make Hindi the official language in 1965 ... if Hindi was made the national language back then, think about what would have happened now. Our whole generation would have grown up with English not being the main language and we probably would not even had as many English medium schools and so on the whole, the proficiency of English among Indian populace would not have been as good.
If English proficiency among Indian population is barely a shade of what it is now then do you think Indian would have even a fraction of its current economic growth due to IT, call center and BPO outsourcings? In this age of global marketplace, India would have matured as another China minus the manufacturing economy potential and would have been in a much pooer state.
Lets face the realities, this is global economy with English almost emerging as the language of the planet, thankfully India is bracing to these changes thanks to English being official language ... and this is by mere quirk of fate in my opinion(DMK protested Hindi imposition for a totally different reason back then but indirectly it has made India to be projected as having the largest number of English speaking people in the world by 2015 or 2020).
I am not against any language or sect of people but I am vehemently against the superior attitudes of north Indians and how they can still callously ask "why can't you Madrasis just learn Hindi?". If I want to learn Hindi, I will do so of my own volition, I do not need a maniacal Gupta or Shah instructing me to do so ... the hell with that crap!
ranga, valid points man. yeah we are now flexible, but they tried to totally eliminate it back then.
AP, thats an interesting observation. and now DMK and PMK are protesting against english. looks like these guys will ever change :)
Yep, I see the current DMK/PMK Tamil protestors no different from hardcore Hindi fanatics. Bunch of clowns or should I say ... frogs in a well?
when we have to learn english to communicate with the rest of the world, there is no need to learn hindi to communicate with rest of India. As Anna said it is like having a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog.
manoj, thats why Isaid, language is just not for communication, but also to learn a different culture -- only for interested souls though.
I failed my Prathmik and still went on to pass my Madhyama :-)
Well.. My mom is one of those Hindi maami's who take tuition classes from prathmic to praveen.. And It just happened that I was her first student to finish till praveen uthraardh..
hey can any one tell me what is the current prathmic syllabus for hindi exam,just name the books ,like bharathi bodh,majidar kaganiyang,etc.I have bought them in aug 2004 but could not write it,but planning to write in aug-2006,as i am from qatar can any one tell me whether the syllabus is revised or still the same.thanks a lot
यहाँ कमेण्ट्स पढ़कर लगता है कुछ दक्षिण भारतीय मित्रों को डीएमके की भाषा सम्बन्धी नीति पसन्द है। लेकिन जहाँ तक शेष संस्कृति का प्रश्न है; हम भारतीयों की संस्कृति एक ही है, चाहे वह उत्तर भारतीय हो या दक्षिण भारतीय। हाँ, उसमें विविधता ज़रूर है।
अगर आप जैसे दक्षिण भारतीय मित्र भी हिन्दी में ब्लॉग बनायें, तो उत्तर भारतीय आपके विचारों और दृष्टिकोण से अधिक अच्छी तरह परिचित हो सकेंगे।
தற்போதைய தமிழக அரசின் இடஒதுக்கீடு கொள்கை தமிழ் என்கிற அடிப்படையில் அல்லாம வெறும் ஜாதி என்கிற அடிப்படையில் உள்ளது.
நீங்கள் பிற்பட்டோர் பட்டியலை பார்த்தால் தமிழ் தவிற்று பிறமொழிகள் பேசும் ஜாதிகள் உள்ளன.
இதில் இந்தி பேசும் முஸ்லிம்கள், ஸவுராஷ்டிரியர்கள்; தெலுங்கு பேசும் ரெட்டியார்கள்,நாயுடுகள், கன்னடம் பேசும் கவுண்டர்கள் ஆகியோர்க்கெல்லாம் இடஒதுக்கீடு வழங்கப்படுகிறது.
தமிழ் பிராமிணர்களை அயோக்கியர்கள் என கருதும் தி மு க இந்தி பேசும் வடக்கர்கள் வாக்குகளை பெற இந்தி மொழி தேர்தல் பிரசுரங்களை வெளியிட்டது.
தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் தமிழர்கள் அல்ல என பிரச்சாரம் செய்கின்றன ப ம க, தி மு க ஆகியோர்.
கர்ணாநிதிக்கு தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் வெறுப்பு இந்தி மொழிக்கு மேலானது போலுள்ளது.
எனது வகுப்பில் இந்தி பேசும் மாணாக்கர் விலைக்கொடுத்து OBC சான்றிதழ் வாங்கி அண்ணா பல்கலைக்கழகம் சேர்ந்தார். இந்தி/உருது மட்டும் பேசும் முஸ்லிம் தமிழகத்தில் ஜாதிகள் இடஒதுக்கீடு பெறுகின்றனர்.
சென்னை விமானகத்தில் தமிழ் ஊழியர்கள் அவ்வளவு இல்லை. எல்லாமே இந்தி பேசுபவர்கள் தான்.
தமிழக CBSE பள்ளிகள் இந்தி திணிப்பு தான்.
இந்தி, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு பேசும் ஜாதிகள் வருக; தமிழ் பிரமாணர் ஒழிக என கொள்கை வைத்துள்ளது தற்போதைய இடஒதுக்கீடு சட்டம்.
கர்நாடகத்தில் கன்னடத்திற்கு பிரதானம் அளிக்கப்படுகிறது. கன்னட பிராமணர் கன்னடர் ஆவார். தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர் வெளியாள் எனவு இந்தி, உருது, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு ஜாதிகள் தமிழர்கள் என்கிற பெயரில் இடஒதுக்கீடு வாங்குகின்றனர்.
தமிழக தமிழர்களுக்கா வெறும் ஜாதி கணக்கில் உகுந்தவருக்கா?
HI
I am Suresh. I teach online spoken Hindi. I am settled in Chennai. If interested, I can teach Hindi to a group in a nominated place. My mother tongue is Tamil(can understand and speak). I was brought up in Bihar for 30 years. I studied in Hindi medium. I worked for a US NGO for 29 years in India and abroad. I also do Hindi translation jobs. I am fluent in English as well.
tks.
Suresh
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