What a Disgrace
Narendra Modi has been denied a diplomatic visa to enter the US. This is a disgrace to the whole nation and the BJP is single-handedly responsible for this. whether US is right or wrong, I don't care. All I can care for is the people of Gujarat... who still live in a state of fear. trust me guys, communal riots is the worst thing that can happen. We had some major bomb blasts in coimbatore, my hometown, in 1998, and I witnessed all hell break loose.
why do these people keep figting all the time? violence can never be a long-term solution. it only spreads to the future generations. Aren't we the proud children of the great Mahatma? I know its difficult to live like him, but we can atleast stop fighting, if not love each other.
and a big disaster is waiting to happen in the Israel - Palestine region. My friend says that according to bible, the world will come to an end when God's people (Jews) leave the holy land (Israel). And I replied, "You don't need bible for that, common sense is enough".
we keep hitting back in revenge, nobody has a count of these attacks. we don't know who started it first, all I say is please stop now, the world will atleast remember the ones who stopped it.
25 Comments:
Saran
I am not taking it as a insult to an Indian citizen. By playing it as an insult to the country, this visa denial might snowball into a huge diplomatic squabble..
More importantly, the Government introduced the Patents Bill in the Lok Sabha which might increase the prices of the life saving drugs and hence make health care unaffordable to millions of people across the world who depend on these cheap generic knockoffs.... Even African health care associations are writing to the Indian Govt. to stop the amendement
I hope the Modi issue doesn't take the importance away from this very very important piece of legislation
I'm hoping for the Patent's Bill to get delayed. If it comes into effect, we might not even be able to use turmeric for medicinal puposes.
Maybe we can use this to delay that.
I don't know where I read this but the article said something like this: "Rivers which cross borders are going to be a major cause for wars in future"
Modi is a petty (soiled?) politician, who has a problem with his image and public perception of him. This may not be taken as an insult to anyone except him. Why, if I'm not mistaken, he was even denied entry into UP sometime last year by Mulayam, the CM! At the same time, a US govt decision need not be considered sacrosanct, or as a pronouncement of shame on India. Every country has its share of trouble makers, who are condemned/supported by other countries as it suits their selfish interests.
Echoing the comments of gandalf, if we want to take issue with denial of visas by the US, lets take up issue with the fact that some ISRO scientists were denied visas to attend a tech conference. That is a crying shame if there was one. Mucked up politicians and their ilk do not deserve any sympathies, much less column spaces that compare their visa denial with snubbing a country.
guys, a chief minister of India, the biggest democratic country in the world, is denied a diplomatic visa. this is a big thing. try denying a visa to Condoleeza Rice, for her involvement in the Iraq aggression, and see what happens.
Agreed, Modi needs to be treated like this. but unfortunately this is an insult to the nation as well, due to his constitutional authority.
This whole thing reminded me of the Godhra incident and the subsequent riots. that was my primary point.
When you talk about the war and stuff, jus a random thought flashed in my mind, r v the most secured people living in the safest part of the world .....
Jagan, yeah we won't deny a visa to Ms. Rice owing to business opportunities. so there you go, meek submission. and thats what is being exploited.
Kay, enakku theriyalaye.
Saranyan
You have to view these decisions in isolation. You cannot ask "why can't we do tit for tat?" or " why was some other dictator from some other land denied visa". As you know, the United States visa are offered on a per-case basis and they had strong tidings against the man in question. Hence this visa was declined...
Can we decline Condelezza Rice's visa? GoI has been huge on liberalization and it needs foregin investment so any such decision might jeopardise some of the investment. Given the Govt's track record and the middle and upper middle class's obessession for MNC, I would think we would even give visa to Scott Peterson if he brings in the mullah
As amatter of fact, even Modi was visiting the United States only to impress upon the NRIs and the americans that gujarat is a safe place to invest....
This piece , I feel brings out the true consequences of this decision.
saranyan, y bring the whole nation into this? it is abt the individual(criminal)...leaving aside the hypocrisy of the us, this act does bring me a sense of satisfaction...this was a slap on modi's face..ennala panna mudiyaadhadha us panittaan...modi has to realise that the rest of the world is not gujarat...he deserved it from the gujjus during the election...wht were they doing? they elected him rt? so, they share his views? was that not a mistake?...i was around cbe when the riots happened...i knw the difficulties & the tension...do u think we can vote for those perpetrators the next time around?
Vir Sanghvi on Hindustan Times -- Crudely put, my position is this: he may be a mass murderer, but he’s our mass murderer. And as long as he holds an elected office, he represents India, for better or for worse.
Is this a logical position? Probably not. But logic and patriotism don’t always go hand in hand. -- I have never really "agreed" with Vir Sanghvi. This time I do!!!
Visa Denials etc. apart.
We do we do this? Aren't we the true children of the Mahatma.
Good question..but no answers.
In my opinion Palestine-Israel, India-Pak, Hindu-Muslim clashes are not going to sunset in our lifetime. IMHO These are some issues that are kept active in purpose by politicians / World leaders in order to make a living. The brain-free populations plays to the tunes of the leaders.
On a personal note: I was visiting Sringeri Saradhambal temple in 2003 and personally saw several muslim women with Purdah praying at the same temple.
Saran,
This is certainly not an insult to India. It is an insult to Modi, and there would never be a denial of visa for Rice. We do need their support and finance.
This has some deeper implications. Currently anybody who is pro-Hindu is being labelled as a RSS/sangh parivar person and now it is official that Narendra Modi is a genocider and so any pro-Hindu is also a mass-murderer.
We might see more cases of visa denials from many western/christian countries even for academic visits by supposedly pro-hindu academicians (like people who support the original inhabitants theory as opposed to the aryan invasion/migration theories).
Interesting times ahead.
Saranyan,
I beg to differ from you that it is an insult to the country. In fact Chief Ministers like Modi and their inhuman deeds are greater insults to the country.
I think the US law has done where the Indian Law miserably failed. The insult you are talking about was long perpetrated when Modi organised the riots, the US action was only a culmination to it.
Saranyan,
Denying a diplomatic visa to a Chief Minister of India is indeed insulting. But then does Modi deserve to be a Chief Minister.
Let us not give undue credit or status to Modi, by calling this an insult to the country. And moreover his visit was personal and not diplomatic.
Saranyan,
In the Cbe blast, there was a bomb just under my office building and my chair and table got all smashed. I had left my table just about 5 minutes before the blast to have a tea at nearby shop as my attender boy was on leave and nobody to bring it to me.
I was glad that he went on leave and i was just shivering at the thought of my fate if I was sitting on my table at the time of the blast. So imagine the state of the people who actually suffered the brunt of the cruel game played by Modi. Was it not an insult to humanity. I do not consider Modi a human, let alone citizen of this country and I am very patriotic too.
Folks, u all may hate Modi.. he deserves your hate. But then, he is holding a constitutional position in India. However much it is abused, I feel that the position has some dignity. Rather than seeing it as "modi being denied a visa", look at it like "A Chief Minister being denied a visa"...
As Saranyan says, try denying the visa to Condi girl & Donald Rumsfeld and see the effect..
Rather than being emotional, we have to face the fact here that we aren't in as commanding a position as Pakistan is, with respect to the US, and in India's own interests, we still need to welcome American politicians despite US actions on Modi. The US also has a similar weakness due to terrorism, and is evident in its hypocritical embrace of Musharraf which they dont consider humiliating but as a realistic need.
Although there is national pride and honour to be safeguarded, the truth is even within India, Modi is tainted, in the opinion of large sections of the population, non-NDA parties, the Human Rights Commission and even the present Govt of India! A parallel cannot be said of Rice or Rumsfeld. And it doesn't mean meek submission, it's just being pragmatic in the light of our limitations. On his part, the PM has been responsible enough to put aside political differences and has lodged firm protest, diplomatically and vocally. There isn't much else to be done in this issue, in India's own interests. India wouldn't hesitate to take more aggressive stands if the situation so warrants in a realistic sense.
Well, Saranyan, there comes the discussion on secularism and violence perpetrated aginst a certain religious community, a thing that I detest from the bottom of my heart. I agree with you BJP is completely responsible for the recent refusal of Visa to Modi. But in a way he deserves it. However, I would definitely say that U.S is no saint and they have perpetrated similar violence. I sympathise with you when you say that violence basically harms common people and causes devastation of many lives. Wish we could have been actually more secular in our outlook.
U.S already denied Visa for PMK Ramadass, Jagan , thi sinfo is for u . Sandoshama.
Before they stripped our defence minister, now denial of Visa for another CM. Ellam BJP ku kuru vekaranga pa.
guys, I think I made my point regarding the VISA denial issue. I ain't gonna dwell on it anymore.
Manoj, congress is long doing that smear campaign against pro-hindus. can't do anything if a major political party supports that view.
Narayanan, thanks for pointing out the other issue I pointed out.
And I'm not surprised to know that muslims pray at Sringeri -- afterall its the place where a snake protected a pregnant frog, and hence Adhi Shankara created that mutt. Sringeri is one of the most beautiful places that I've been.
Thanks for the comments guys.
dear saranyan:-I agree with what all U said on communal riots and I was in CBE the next day and I know and I have seen.But we cannot be emotional.We should also be wary of lurking dangers from foreign influences to defeat Democracy in India.
But just for argument shall I ask why the " Democratic America"has a selective approach in all matters from Allen Dulles period.Is not Ariel Sharon a fanatic? is not Musharaff a India hater?Are they not given red carpet welcome here?
The Americans asked Musharaff to usher in democracy and shed his army post. Did it happen?Sorry!Saranyan.We always pamper the rich
and mighty and that is why we we were bonded slaves for hundreds of years. P.K
Kichami Sir, I completely agree with you on this. But I thought we should reform ourselves first before pointing fingers, thats all.
According to me there are a few varieties of people on this issue
1) Die hard Modi fans(who are also Hindus) who consider this an insult to him and then point it out as Insult to nation
2) Non Modi Hindus who point out that this was an insult to nation
3) Non Modi Indians who just consider this as an Insult to Modi and not to the Nation
Saranyan( I guess) and me belong to the 2nd category. We need not necessarily support Modi but still consider the visa denial as a insult to nation because US did it and the insult was not delivered by our constitution but rather the constitution of another nation. Its like this, in a Family F, a problematic Child C1 was not slapped by his father but rather by a Man M who was staying a few blocks away who himself in his house doesnt slap his Sons, because looks like the siblings of C1 who went to play in the other street complained to the Man M there, about their father F not castigating their Sibling C1. So i am wondering what would be the reaction of Father F? Did he feel insulted that he was not able to do a thing to C1 legally? Ofcourse he would have? What would his neighbours,who are considered inferior, think of him? I guess the neighbors itself have many problematic children who are left unpunished, but rather the Man M hands them over Chocolates and otehr goodies, to Insult F.
Its a lousy story :-), i lost interest in writing a better one mid way :-)
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